TWA
Total Workforce Acquisition
ATS
Applicant Tracking Software
OAS
Online Assessment Software
Profiling
360
Blocks
Cubes
Segments
Numbers,
All these methods and means are built to organize one thing.
People. When it comes down to it, the realization needs to occur that each and every person is unique with a unique driver or identifier that pushes and drives the individual to his or her own personal goals wants and needs.
The job boards all of them (trust me I spend a lot of time on them) act as if they are a mass-market retail model, where the traffic is divided into two groups, Job seekers and Job advertisers.
The software companies treat individuals as “Human Capitol” as an accounting term something that you would line item delete or push out too.
The Corporate (the large ones) try to find a common or best-fit segmentation tool that will lump people into groups they can best market to, identify, or hire. (I am pro business, this is just an observation FOR an opportunity NOT an us-versus-them statement)
But the real change, the pivotal paradigm, is that over time people will rebel against systems. They will rebel against conforming to an internal system set by a company that they push out for the world to have to jump through. People will soon have the ability to create their vision of what it is they want and have this vision search for them.
Thoughts ideas?
Total Workforce Acquisition
ATS
Applicant Tracking Software
OAS
Online Assessment Software
Profiling
360
Blocks
Cubes
Segments
Numbers,
All these methods and means are built to organize one thing.
People. When it comes down to it, the realization needs to occur that each and every person is unique with a unique driver or identifier that pushes and drives the individual to his or her own personal goals wants and needs.
The job boards all of them (trust me I spend a lot of time on them) act as if they are a mass-market retail model, where the traffic is divided into two groups, Job seekers and Job advertisers.
The software companies treat individuals as “Human Capitol” as an accounting term something that you would line item delete or push out too.
The Corporate (the large ones) try to find a common or best-fit segmentation tool that will lump people into groups they can best market to, identify, or hire. (I am pro business, this is just an observation FOR an opportunity NOT an us-versus-them statement)
But the real change, the pivotal paradigm, is that over time people will rebel against systems. They will rebel against conforming to an internal system set by a company that they push out for the world to have to jump through. People will soon have the ability to create their vision of what it is they want and have this vision search for them.
Thoughts ideas?
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Thu, July 1, 2004 - 10:18 AMmy 2c's:
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The job boards all of them (trust me I spend a lot of time on them) act as if they are a mass-market retail model, where the traffic is divided into two groups, Job seekers and Job advertisers.
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i also spend ALLOT of time on job boards (too much in fact) ... i think job boards should be eliminated, they create too much work for the job seekers and job advertisers ... but we all know how much ad $ tmp makes so that isnt gonna stop ... the mass-market retail model is long standing in the short 10 years that ppl searched & found jobs/candidates online ...
IDEA = move the "boards" away from the traditional model (see above) into a "community based" model (more to rant on that lata)
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But the real change, the pivotal paradigm, is that over time people will rebel against systems. They will rebel against conforming to an internal system set by a company that they push out for the world to have to jump through. People will soon have the ability to create their vision of what it is they want and have this vision search for them.
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agreed (mostly), but what do you mean when you say having their "vision search for them"??
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Thu, July 1, 2004 - 12:40 PMmonster has their version also: network.monster.com/Home.aspx -
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Tue, July 6, 2004 - 10:58 PMJeremy,
Vision search for them... I will email that to you ;-)
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Tue, July 27, 2004 - 1:38 PMk
send to:
jeremylanghans@yahoo.com
and/or
jeremylanghans@hotmail.com
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Tue, July 27, 2004 - 6:23 PMhi everyone,
in order to have a pivotal paradigm, one must think outside the box. i would love to see job employers to start asking what my vision is and how this opportunity fits into that. i would love a search engine to match visions vs personalities and skills. so i have been interviewing for the last two weeks in the area of staffing. i am seeking an account manager position or a recruiter position and overall it has been a good experience however it has been a very 'dry' experience. i am a person of vision and so walking through these traditional means of interviewing is literally killing my vision. it is interesting to observe the responses of individuals when you talk about fulfillment and expansion and how you would like to envision the work while demonstrating your skill set as you have a conversation.
i had an interview the other day and i asked him how he thought i would be with the clients, i figured, well, he just sat with me for an 1 1/2 and he must have gotten a sense of how i would be outside the office with his clients and his response was that he liked my skill set. (now, trust me, i want to be acknowledged for my skill set and the hard work i have done through the years, however, i was hoping he stated something more to fact that he just spent the last 1 1/2 in a very pleasant and effective manner which covered alot of ground and that he would love to do business with someone who can hold my attention for that long and continue to hear what i had to say). i was called back for a second but i just wish that the paradigm shift would be more about the long term vision, the person behind that vision and the overall difference we can make at a core level. is this relating to anyone else?
overall, i am dis-enchanted by the depth of our corporate systems and structures that are really the foundation of how people relate in the world.
so, what do you see in the next 5 years, virtual resumes online, more group work???
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Tue, July 27, 2004 - 9:32 PMNo more resumes in the concept that we see them now. more like packets of information comprised of assessments psychographic and skills- then matching to culture.
All done with a personal agent.
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Wed, July 28, 2004 - 12:20 PMGL Kevin! lemme know if i can help in ANYway ...
fyi, i fly out (moving) to san diego, ca on fri am :P
wrappin up microsoft & then startin kyocera wireless on monday ...
Tracy -- only response i have right now, is what people like us already know, most of the people in hr/recruiting (yes i said most) don't have "vision", aren't that "smart", and wouldn't even know how to define "critical thinking" ... no offense to my friends out there and the members of this group /wink cuz we all b uber smarties wit da vision (is there spell check on this thang?) ... ANYways, i remember a few years back a friend of mine said "if you harnassed all the brain activity of those in the field of human resources that i've dealt with, you MIGHT get enough juice to light a bulb for an hour or so" ... yap, you guessed it, he was a very sr lvl hiring mgr at a very well known company ... sad, but true, its not perspective is reality it IS reality ... only way we can change that is either a.) hire better people into our field or b.) outsmart, outlast, outwork, etc the "others" ... i vote a.) cuz it'd be more fun to work with people that actually have a head on their shoulders -- believe me i'm NOT saying these "others" aren't mostly nice, well meaning, etc people ... it's just that they don't think the way "we" do & i hold to the belief that people like "us" are not only the most effective at our "work" but we are the innovators that will ... o my gosh i'm ranting, ok back to work (more to come later, stay tuned!!)
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Wed, July 28, 2004 - 12:23 PMo ya ... my point, lol ... Tracy -- Think about who you are spending 1.5 hours with: are they "others" offering you a "paycheck" OR are they "us" offering you steps closer to your "vision" ... if they aren't people you would want to have work for you then why work for them? hmmmm....
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Wed, July 28, 2004 - 1:51 PMweel, that is the shift for me, the i.5 hour interview was with someone that i do want to work for, i was just touching upon an observation. for the first time, i am interviewing companies and really looking at who i want to envision with. i have been on the mile-stone road which is now ready for some solid pavement. btw, are/is there anyone out there who would be interested in envisioning with me as i am in the 'career market'. if so, please email me direct: tvisonnow@yahoo.com.
thanks.
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 11:39 AMAfter Ten long years in this business and touching every aspect of Recruiting from Agency stuff,technical, IT, and now the Apex... Corporate Recruiting, I have found that we need to set a strong vision up front. Have strong Corporate values, and a very clear and defined task to accomplish. Remaining focused. I tend to glance at the problems, and gaze at the potential answers.
I think Paradigm is on to something. On-line, live resumes might be something we see in the near future. It makes sense. Streaming video clips and a printed history.Hmmm.. what's next.
Assessments are always interesting too.
The problem with a "live resume" would probably be the EEO would have a field day. How would you defend a decision in the event of hiring someone based on how they looked?
Keep the faith.
JB
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 11:20 AMPivotal,
Interesting comments. I enjoyed your insight however, I tend to look at the Micro rather than the Macro.
After ten years in this crazy business, I find that what is important is to realize what we can affect and change and what we can't. In other words I choose my battles wisely. The world is so big and vast and we are so finite.
As a tribe of Recruiters or HR Professionals interested in finding answers, I would say... don't drive yourself crazy with the details. Our Corporations will continue to grow and drive us crazy from time to time. Hopefully, we will continue to grow and evolve too, believe it or not... I was a non-conformist as a teen. Now I conform. I want to feed my kids, go on trips, and enjoy this madness.
Human Capital Management, ATS (applicant tracking system in my world), on-line assessments,Best Fit Methodology, Successful Search and Placement, Close Early, and Close often. When does the World stop.. I want to get off. I would stop this if I could find the key.
Honestly, I love the chaos. The battle, the Adrenalin of closing the deal, Can it get any better than this?
Your note struck a chord with me... I just completed installing a very good ATS, We completed an Organizational Competency Model a year and a half ago, we are now looking at how our selection process truly ties into the structured interview guides and the assessments. On-line assessments and Executive assessment centers are on my plate right now. We are looking to improve and ensure ROI on what we have in place. Cognitive abilities, personality profiles, selection instruments. Metrics or Mesurables,if it cant be measured it can't be improved on. Timing Metrics, Interview to Hire Ratio, submittal to interview ratios... Don't throw s_ _ t against the wall hoping something will stick!
I am glad I found a group who not only understands all this..I am hoping I have found a group willing to discuss and share victories and defeats. Why reinvent the wheel?
At the end of the day I think we all want the same thing... we want to be the best we can be at what we do. We want a little satisfaction, and we want to see our companies grow and accomplish great things.
Are we asking for to much?
Are our expectations to high?
We didn't even mention Diversity initiatives did we?
A Balanced Work Force v.s. Hiring the Most Highly qualified candidate... who cares to touch this one?
Good Meeting you and I look forward to your response.
Keep the faith,
JB
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Fri, August 13, 2004 - 11:21 AMi'll touch it ...
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We didn't even mention Diversity initiatives did we?
A Balanced Work Force v.s. Hiring the Most Highly qualified candidate... who cares to touch this one?
_my 2 cents_
simple. hire the most qualified candidates, but make sure your sourcing net is cast wide enough so that you will get diversity ... this way when you finally reach the utopia of a balanced work force you'll have a qualified one as well :-)
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Sun, August 15, 2004 - 10:44 AMJB - If it is a open forum to discuss all the topics you have mentioned, then hopefully you have found a few people willing to discuss :-)
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Re: pivotal paradigm
Sun, August 22, 2004 - 9:18 PMWhat ATS?
And what was the most compelling reason?
the systems now in place I feel do nothing but push paper around... Automate current practices or create new processes. they really don't help with recruitment or matching. That is finding a better set of fits...
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